And good point on the Death Beam, it didn't focus Goku in the slightest when he tanked it in their fight. Also, I did watch the video and it seemed like one of the points being argued was that the attack that Gohan jumped in front of for Vegeta was strong enough to immobilize Gohan, therefore Cell is "proven" to be stronger. He messed up with 2 points though. I didn't watch the video. In a word; yes. “Normal” Perfect Cell fought to a near standstill with SSJ Goku, with a bit of an upper hand. Gohan was able to hold in a beam struggle with Cell with one arm for a long time. There are no others around, so there is nothing for Cell to exploit to attain victory. Not to mention that Gohan was perfectly happy to fight Cell one handed until Cell made a Kamehameha; he only was low on chi and wanted to avoid anything involving it. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. It's just … This makes the most sense to me, since something like this would explain how a Full Power Perfect Cell(12) would get wrecked by SS2 Gohan(20). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. In any case, here are the current power levels and multipliers I have for each of Goku's current forms and possible ranges. Not to mention any further zenkais or failed destructions would make Cell unstoppable. This was obviously the last of his chi, as he went back to his base form and collapsed immediately after he killed Cell. Cell was both serious and not serious while fighting Gohan in his beam struggle. Was it only possible because Vegeta distracted him? However in the latest Dragon Ball Super episode (hopefully there are no spoilers if you watch it) Frieza used it as his attack of choice when facing off in a beam struggle versus Aniliza (the Universe 3 Fusion). + refers to Goten plus Trunks. Full Power Perfect Cell - 12. Gohan didn't hold out long at all and Cell was toying with him the whole time. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. Full Power SS1 Gohan - 10. As for the PLs, I do indeed have a distinctive list for everyone, including the DB Super fighters (though most are assumptions). If he had time to raise his Ki then I argue that he wouldn't have been hurt. Goku increased by several million PL during that Zenkai. Goku later convinced him that he wasn't really down to 50% and only thought he was, which made SSJ2 Gohan put his full power (what he was using when he was beating … If … While Gohan may have the power in edge, his personality and lack of experience are a serious disadvantage that would tip the battle against him. In any case, hopefully you'll enjoy it. No one has mentioned how Gohan behaves just before Vegeta charges Cell. He did eventually, after a little encouragement from Goku, muster up the chi to create his own Kamehameha. If they were both at full power/stamina. IMO Yes. Gohan was injured prior to their match-up after trying to save Vegeta. Agreed. I feel Gohan wasn't ready to actually kill. So I'm researching and calculating the exact power levels (and feats) of every Dragon Ball Z character but a particularly critical match-up has become a very difficult one to answer. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Though I think arrogance also played a role. Who would win in this fight? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! When Cell came back stronger, he also came back at 100% energy/stamina. I know what Piccolo said, he said Majin SSJ2 Vegeta isn't hugely stronger than SSj2 Kid Gohan (Vs Cell). Half-health Gohan was slightly less powerful than SPC at least as far as Ki goes but enough to not get instantly vaporized. Anything would certainly help. SSJ2 Gohan is leagues ahead of Super Perfect Cell in raw strength and pure power . Buu Saga SSj2 Vegeta vs. Super Perfect Cell Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Goku was able to bring out more power out of Gohan because he was holding back, either because he was trying to protect the planet or because he was not enraged. With DBZ power levels liking even multipliers for the most part, let's call it a 2x boost. There are 5 possible avenues for Gotenks strength: Equal to Super Saiyan 3: x400 Equal to Goten Plus Trunks Base Form: x2 (x800 in SS3) Equal to SS Goten Plus SS Trunks: x100 (x40,000 in SS3) Using Dragonball GT Guide on Gogeta, Fusion Dance is dozens of times stronger. Gohan would have to finish Cell off quickly before fatigue sets in to have a chance. Second is that Gohan had never actually killed an opponent and wasn't battle hardened. I'm going to go against the grain and say...I really don't think so. There's no official guide to tell us how strong Piccolo has become after the Cell arc. The attack that was used to kill Vegeta but was intercepted by Gohan looked casual but was enough to injured Gohan severely. SSJ2 Gohan is about 2–3 times stronger than SSJ Goku at the time. In the manga, after Goku goes SSJ2 before fighting Majin Vegeta, Majin Vegeta says that Goku is stronger than Gohan. He was also distraught from having Goku (and Trunks) die. So I'm going to say Gohan hands down is stronger. Although I think the zenkai you mentioned is what pushed Cell to the SS2 limit, not that he attained SS2 and then managed to get an additional zenkai. Ssj2 is an 100x boost so simple math would put cell above Gohan plus the zenkai he got from blowing himself up. As Tagoma was compared to Ultimate Gohan, we then must determine his strength via Buuiccolo, the strongest fighter Gohan was definitely stronger than. Since he was at half strength was it so much that it put him over his power level at full health? Full health Gohan, injured half health Gohan, and injured half health Gohan + "boost"...that's just what I've always called it in any of the cases where Goku or some other action forces Gohan to go above his own perceived power. Cell's skills and regeneration made him a terrifying opponent to put down. The Z-fighters have always been incredibly accurate about their gauges of energy levels. Super Perfect Cell wins. Boy, Super must give you an aneurysm then. But I'll give my 2 cents anyway... IMO Yes. It came down to the kamehameha struggle as a last effort. An easier explanation is that Gohan's power increased because he felt the presence of his father. This would suggest Cell is at an even 100 with no additional boosts. First is that Gohan couldn't unlock that bonus boost at will. Similar to Frieza's laser beam, this puts doubt that this attack was in fact a casual blast. The scouter read Gohan with a 710 power level. That's the kind of thing I mean. So you've got a few different phases of Gohan worth talking about in this fight. During the Cell Games, young Son Gohan witnessed the death of a soft-spoken, gentle android known as No. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. Ah, I never considered that angle before. Then for Super Saiyan Blue I will be assuming the lowest possible multiplier, x2. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. The only time we actually have a legitimate measurement was wayyyy back to when Raditz visited Earth. However, Gohan was injured and he was holding back, per Goku. Now we'll look at Gohan at half health. Gohan was emotionally wrecked after Goku's sacrifice, as he believed he was responsible. These are easy enough to find and calculate. What are your thoughts on this fight? Gohan beat him when he was already injured. Was Gohan truly at a lower level of power thanks to this injury? My big question has always been how much power did that unlock-able boost actually give him? He stated he was at half power after this. My honest opinion is that Gohan would still dominate SPC. S+ refers to SS Goten + SS Trunks. Hell, the fact that he even held Cell out for that long, shows that half of Gohan's strength was almost as much as Cell going all out. I think he wished to break Gohan's spirit by beating him while not at full strength, in my opinion cell was probably going >50 but <75 when Gohan put the last of his energy into a Kamehameha. SSJ2 Gohan destroyed “normal” Perfect Cell, so in conclusion, Super Perfect Cell is significantly stronger. Find out how strong Piccolo, Goten and Trunks, and Super Buu are together and you have your answer. The terms are: BoG(Battle of Gods), ResF(Resurrection F), GE (God Essence), SPC (Super Perfect Cell). So while he was likely not using his full power at first, I think he was by the end given how stressed out the battle became. Indeed it does. And, this is a handicap match meaning cell won't just stand there. SSj2 Majin Vegeta > SSj2 Kid Gohan (Rage) >> SSj2 Kid Gohan (Normal). re: SSJ2 Majin Vegeta VS SSJ2 Kid Gohan + Super Perfect Cell The gap between majin vegeta and teen gohan is not that big. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. Freeza's Death Beam is a good comparison but that in and of itself is a pretty low tier attack used purely for executions and is utter garbage against an opponent in a remotely similar league(see Goku easily deflecting a barrage of them). Adjust for transformation from first form and assuming at BARE minimum First Form Frieza is as strong as Tagoma, we can assume this level of power is similar to Ultimate Gohan. I personally favor Gohan as having more power than Cell given all of Goku's statements seeming to favor that as well as Gohan lamenting that he wanted to tear Cell to pieces. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! In truth, while Gohan did indeed defeat Cell in the story, there were many factors at play. The attack Cell used was definitely not a particularly powerful one. I mainly use the xBase Form unit as it makes things easier to track, but determining power level from them is easy enough so I track those too. SSJ2 Gohan is fast but prone to standing around letting Cell act. If he had been fighting with that level of strength from the beginning and wasn't held back at all, I think it was very possible that Gohan could have won a true fight. If Goku knows or suspects a 2x boost is within Gohan's ability it is pretty easy to see why he was so confident in Gohan taking down Cell. Dragon ball tends to hint at ability through aura alot and an aura's details can tell alot about a character or a form. SS2 Gohan, while injured and fresh from Goku's death, had the power to completely destroy Cell while he was taken off guard. He was at 50% when he overpowered Cell. Film©1989 TOEI ANIMATION CO., LTD. All Rights Reserved. Once he realized even his new power was not enough, he'd IT to somewhere else on the planet and blow it up. We never saw Gohan's full power at this time so we don't have a good gauge but this does tell us a couple things. So, determine all the possible answers for Gotenks power and you have your answer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c15778Vv0Bg. But I'll disagree that he would defeat Cell in the prompt. SSJ2 Kid Gohan: 120 Super Perfect Cell: 100 SSJ2 Pre-Majin Vegeta: 100 SSJ2 Teen Gohan: 78 SSJ Goku: 62.5 FP Perfect Cell: 50 SSJ Pre-Majin Vegeta: 50 Dabura: 45 SSJ Kid Gohan: 40 SSJ Teen Gohan: 39 Reason I put Gohan's final rage boost so high is because he managed to Kill SPC after Battle Damage reduced his Power by 50% and with only 1 hand. This suggest Super Perfect Cell certainly had the power to injure him. If Gohan was only ASSUMING he was at half strength and simply had to bring out his true power, this makes him more even with Cell. Him defending Vegeta as well as he did probably used a bit of chi, and the fact that he lost the use of his arm would also have made chi control a little harder. Keeping in mind the feat of 'lack of fatigue' Cell has - that does make it difficult to tell his effort level but I feel like it is safe to assume at that point he was genuinely wanting to kill Gohan and was putting in as much effort as it would take...which wasn't enough as we know. However, in regards to who would win in a straight fight, I believe SPC would actually end up winning. Goku believes he is holding back so as to not destroy the planet, as well. It's highly suggested that Gohan might have lost had Vegeta not distracted Cell. So I also think that a full powered SSJ 2 Gohan could still beat Super Perfect Cell with ease. A drop in the bucket at the SSJ2 stage. Using all of that - would a full health Gohan beat SPC in a 1v1 with nobody else around? Was he holding back? The fact his arm got injured just made Gohan think he was down to half of his power due to his special confidence problems. That's very well thought out. Super Perfect Cell has an electrical aura, much like the one Super Saiyan 2's have. While Gohan just intercepted a blast that would have killed Vegeta. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. If Gohan was only ASSUMING he was at half strength and simply had to bring out his true power, this makes him more even with Cell. I submit that Gohan simply had more power available to him, though they were almost completely even. You then transfer this to each fighter being compared and then apply necessary multipliers. Gohan beat him when he was already injured. If I am not mistaken, Gohan blew Cell to death after having lost a good deal of energy AND one arm effectively immobilized. I don't believe there is an additional boost beyond that. I mentioned Perfect Cell because I said that SSJ2 Gohan was many times stronger than Perfect Cell so him even being at half of Gohan's power would be a huge jump. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. I refuse to believe Half-power Gohan>Super Perfect Cell, especially when Cell was able to damage Gohan as much as he did when Gohan was at FP, and SSJ2 is supposed to be only a 2x multiplier itself. If its SSJ2 Gohan after he trains with the Kais then he stomps easily. To put things into perspective, I'll only give a short list for Goku's power levels and a snapshot of how I got them. It's safe to assume that he is or should be stronger. And yes, I love the connection to the auras. So in a fight it might tip in his favor given all the possibilities of victory. Been a while since I've watched/read that arc but reading through a lot of the replies - I have to agree that SSJ2 Gohan was more powerful than Super Perfect Cell. Cell was very confident in his victory, but so was Gohan prior to the fight. Leer cell super perfecto vs gohan ssj2, en Sin categoría. It's very distinctive that Cell's aura changed to a similar one to SS2 in his Super Perfect Form. Gohan has a smile on his face and is like "Fuck ya motherfucker we didnt get to finish our fight, i didnt get to finish laying the smackdown on you, but your back so now I can resume kicking your ass." And if this theoretical battle happens on Earth he's going to try and keep his power level lower to not endanger the planet. 2 - He is consciously holding back and worried about the planet and those around him. I've watched this a ton, and Gohan's power was basically divided in two, since he could only use one arm, and he still managed to win (albeit with a BIT of help). My Initial Conclusion: While there is plenty of evidence (and perhaps even a majority) suggesting Cell was stronger than Gohan at this point, I still believe Gohan was stronger simply because he had the strength to destroy Cell despite both his injury and his trauma. Goku was able to stand toe to toe against Cell but was easily destroyed by Broly) No other aura in dbz has lightning besides ssj2 and ssj3. When Gohan jumped in front of the blast he wasn't defending or bracing himself. If he was only a little more powerful, it would have likely just injured cell, not obliterated him. We saw him holding ground at what looked like full exertion against SPC who was genuinely putting in full effort. The beam struggle ends up being the best way to win. Piccolo later says Majin Vegeta was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan when he fought Super Perfect Cell. So we know Gohan at full health was holding back to protect the planet. Personally, I believe that an SS2 Goku would beat Perfect Cell after a good fight, but he would lose to Super Perfect Cell. Seen it tons of times and I feel like that was Goku's big goal in the hyperbolic time chamber - teach Gohan to actually use that since it was such a huge well of power. Gohan was able to hold in a beam struggle with Cell with one arm for … I enjoy the challenge though. Cell also displayed a ssj1 aura earlier in the show as well. I won't go into the details, but ultimately this is why I need to know where Super Perfect Cell falls. But either way, yes, Gohan was certainly underestimating that blast and paid the price for it. I also believe that while the attack meant to kill Vegeta LOOKED casual, it was a very devastating blow. Then he lost 18's strength. SSJ2 Gohan is leagues ahead of Super Perfect Cell in raw strength and pure power . He EFFORTLESSLY beat perfect cell, and while it might have been closer, I still think Gohan takes it pretty damn handily, which, IMO, is why Toriyama had to use that plot device to get rid of one of Gohans arms, another stomp would have been boring as fuck. The only Zenkai increase we have seen that would rival SPC's apparent Zenkai increase would be Goku's after the fight with Ginyu. Alrighty - we've made some assumptions and it's time to go to the conclusion they lead to. I always believed Dabura's power was somewhat close to Super Perfect Cell, but not as strong. The way I see it is the Cell is probably somewhat stronger than Gohan at their best. The moment Goku helped his son the emotional support was able to fill Gohan with enough power to finish cell off. 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